So my ex-girlfriend won’t leave me alone…

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  • #1533
    relationshipa1
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    I dated this girl for about a year and a half, though she wasn’t really a girl; she’s a woman in her mid-30s, me in my late-20’s. Our relationship had some good times, but quite a few bad times as well, as I developed a certain amount of distrust of her and what she did when we were away from one another — like she’d go out with her friends without me, which was no problem at first, until it became clear that not only was I to never be invited when she went out, but I wasn’t allowed to go with my friends unless she was there. After so long of this happening (and certain ‘coincidences’ popping up, most of which revolved around other men, naturally), I of course began to wonder what was up and could no longer accept ‘coincidences’ (she didn’t lie all the time, but needless to say she lied enough). I admit I stuck with it too long as relationships with trust issues are lost causes though I still tried to make it work, until this past April when I actually did catch her red-handed in a lie (she said she was home when she wasn’t, and I know because I was there and she wasn’t). I broke up with her, and told her not to text/call/visit me again. Since then, we have a new ‘relationship’: she’ll leave me alone for a couple of weeks (at the most), before she’ll text/call/stop by unannounced. When I question her as to why, she’ll say “we’re friends” or “you’re still my best friend” (she’s even said that we’re friends whether I like it or not). All but twice I’ve pushed her away, being nice and honest about it sometimes, mean and ugly about it other times; it all leads to the same idea for me: get her away. However, there were two times I gave in and agreed to trying to be civil and “friends”, and “one thing led to another” and whatever. Either way, whether I give in or resist, the result is about the same — she’s nice for that day and maybe the next, before turning to saying or doing things which I know are meant to be hurtful towards me, such as (as an example) telling me about certain sexual acts she’s done since our split (though I should note that if I ignore her texts, I’ll get them almost constantly from her). Whether those things are true or not, I’d be lying if I said it didn’t affect me at least somewhat, but on the whole I could really care less as I don’t plan on getting back with her. So it seems that she just tries to get close to me to be hurtful, but when I happen to go out on a date with another woman and my ex knows about it, she’ll text me constantly through the night, even incessantly demanding to know whether or not I had sex with her, and I can’t figure out why’d she be insistent on knowing if she didn’t care. Even recently, she came in contact with me again, insisting that we be friends and nothing more, that the friendship can work if we want it to. I’ve resisted, but she’ll still text and present herself as though we really were friends. It seems pretty clear that I should do what I can to distance myself from her, right? There can’t be anything healthy about this for either of us, and any kind of distance would be good even if I have to go to such lengths as changing my number, or even place of residence. It doesn’t seem to me like she’s ever going to quit. But what’s more, I’d like to know just what the heck is going on in her head? Is she trying to mend fences, or just playing games? It’s hard for me believe that, after some of the more ‘unflattering’ things she’s said the past few months, she even cares about me as a person, let alone a friend or a former lover that she may/may not still have even a sliver of feeling for. But then, why would she be so hurt at the idea of me being with other people? I’m not going to lie, this thing is driving me insane, and beginning to weird me out just a bit. Never asked for advice from anyone other than close friends before, but on this matter I’d like to have a more impartial opinion. Thanks. Also, while this is a long post, it’s more or less a very condensed version on all that’s been happening; it could easily be three times longer with more detail.

    #10914
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    You are correct when you say that you need distance from your ex-girlfriend. But you actually need more than distance. You need her out of your life altogether. She’s manipulative and controlling, and you need to stop playing the victim. I can tell you want out, but you’re not acting like you want out.

    Tell her you don’t want any more contact with her. No explanations. No discussion. Block her number. Don’t take her texts, and if she shows up, don’t answer the door. It’s really that simple.

    Your desire to know what’s going on in her head is going to get you nowhere. You can’t know what’s going on in her head — you can only know that she’s hurt you on more than one occasion, she’s lied to you and she texts you incessantly when you’re on a date with another woman. It’s entirely inappropriate and manipulative of her to tell you about her sex life after you’ve broken up, but this woman seems to live by the creed of inappropriate behavior.

    Your life will be a lot easier and more peaceful if you can put up clear and consistent boundaries when it comes to her, and stick to them.

    Good luck!

    #11182
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for the advice, April. What you said was largely what I expected…and is undoubtedly the right thing. As for my ex being prone towards inappropriate behavior, I will say this: I worked with her for a while, until she was fired from the job for sending pornographic picture messages to an administrator (not of her, though). She said it was just as a joke; obviously, he felt differently. And yes, I was indeed dating her during this time, it was probably about a little under a year into the relationship. And yes, I stayed with her; I didn’t condone what she did, but I forgave her. She then went about seven months unemployed, during which time I paid her bills for her (as she was unable to draw unemployment, or at least as far as I will ever know) rather than see her lose everything: I paid her rent (as I didn’t live with her), her car payments, her car insurance, food, food for her cats, even movies/clothes/whatever to keep her happy…you name it, I paid for it. In hindsight, my friends and family were absolutely right — stupid move on my part, but I was sure that it was the right thing to do, as I had been with her for awhile and I did care about her. She was able to secure a couple of part time jobs during this time, but she hardly made enough to make any payments and they didn’t last too long. And that’s a major part of what hurt/depressed/angered me when I finally broke it off; I spent at least nearly half the time that we were together making sure she was on stable feet, and within the first two weeks of her finally getting a full-time job is when I caught her lying about where she was (I’ll never know, but more than likely she was with another man). She also has been twice divorced, with both marriages ending due to various adulteries committed by her; I didn’t learn of these until after we had been together for a while, and I reasoned that they were ‘before my time’ and thus didn’t concern me. Yeah, right. And I only learned of it because one of her ‘men’ kept coming around wanting to know why she ‘lied’ to him (I snuck a peek at her texts); before that, she would go out on lunch break to eat with him (he’d pick her up), telling me that he was a friend of her father’s, which i believed until i learned the truth of course, as the guy was fairly old (to put it bluntly). One time she went on a date with a man that she said was a cousin; later I discovered that he was a roomate to one of her promiscuous friend’s several ‘boyfriends’, and it just so happened that their date followed a weekend that she spent with her friend. She claimed it was coincidence, which i never really bought but forgave her for. Ah, but I”m venting now. But as I said — I stayed in it for far too long. And only I’m to blame for that, honestly. As I stated though, I suppose I was able to fool myself because after happenings such as these, there would be a relative period of peace and we’d have good times for while. At least, until the next ‘coincidence’ would pop up.

    My closest friend is not a psychologist but is a very educated and learned man nonetheless, and he’s told me that she sounds like a borderline sociopath, which may be true, considering she’s prone to lying and betrayal, as well as seemingly taking no responsibility or remorse for her actions. Whereas at first it was upsetting to me to think that someone could treat me as such, now it just depresses me that I was even with someone like that at all, let alone for how long I was with her. You’re very right when you say that I want her gone for good; you’re also very right when you say that I don’t seem to always act it. I live in an area where my social outlets (friends and such) have been steadily dwindling for the past few years, as people have moved on and away, and most of my closest friends live nearly three hours away. As such, there are times when I’m alone with my thoughts, and I may get lonely or depressed which opens a door to me answering her texts/calls and being willing to socialize with her (which in and of itself is perhaps why it’s been hard for me truly ‘pull the trigger’ on getting rid of her for good). Now that doesn’t happen all the time (only twice, as I stated before), as mostly I’m just disgusted with the thought of her anymore; being in her thirties, I thought that she’d be more settled than what she apparently was. In fact, there was a period of time through September that I did indeed block her number. I have a Blackberry, and while those phones can do a lot, one thing they don’t have is a block/reject list; that costs extra on my plan. I was able to get a 30-day trial period for free, and I told my ex before hand that i was blocking her number, with the idea being that she’ll text/call within the month, I won’t answer, and she’ll take what I said to heart and stop, thinking that she was blocked forever (I didn’t tell her it was only for 30 days, naturally). However, a few days after I had dropped it, I recieved some nasty texts from her; so, presumably, she had been texting the whole time during that 30 days (and I did indeed answer when I couldn’t take it anymore, though to tell you the messages that prompted me to do so would be…distasteful and disturbing). I didn’t truly realize it until you said something, but I have indeed been playing the part of victim, and perhaps for even well over a year now, if not longer (going all the way back to when my ex and I were together). I’m a proud guy, and that’s hard to admit, but I’d say that came from my willingness to forgive/forget, and continuously leaving myself open for more ‘punishment’. At any rate, I finally took the advice I’d been given to heart, and this past weekend I changed my number (on a somewhat ridiculous side-note, the last time I spoke with her two weeks ago she claimed that she was an extra in a certain movie that was shot in Memphis this past summer; I do know that she did indeed go to Memphis this past summer, but researching this movie, I learned that it was filmed in Memphis in 2008, not 2009…I’m sure she heard this film was shot there and thought to tell me to impress (?) me, which is funny yet sad at the same time). It may sound absurd, but this is all true. Once again, thank you for the advice, and most especially thanks for hearing me out.

    #11192
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    Boy, you sure must be a glutton for punishment! 😕 I’ve never heard anyone who’s been such a victim go on and on about his controlling ex-girlfriend for so long. Really — you’d do a lot better to s[i]top analyzing your ex-girlfriend[/i] and start figuring out why [b]you[/b] put yourself in situations where people can use you.

    Until you work on your self and find your self esteem and your ability to be in a healthy relationship, you’re just going to subject yourself to more of the same, and that’s really too bad. 😥 I’m sure you want to be loved and respected, but you don’t know how to attract people who can love and respect. In fact, you ignored all the signs of an unhealthy person who abuses others, and dove in even further.

    I hope that you’ll learn to use boundaries, and just hang up when you hear her voice. The more you engage, the more you’re playing the victim. A man with good self esteem won’t spend time with a woman who uses him. And the more you practice using these boundaries, the more you’ll keep out inappropriate girlfriends, and make space for Ms. Right.

    I hope this helps. Let me know how things go — but stop thinking about your ex. Just focus on you for now. 🙂

    #10953
    Anonymous
    Participant

    Well, you’re right on several points…all of them, actually. I’m an intelligent guy, I grew up as an only child and spent quite a bit of time by myself, and I most definitely tend to over-analyze a lot of things, even things that I’d be better served to not analyze at all. Sometimes I can’t help it, honestly. I did indeed ramble on about my ex and I thought about deleting most of it before I posted, but didn’t. Writing it out made me feel better, actually, as once it was out of my churning mind I was able to truly note how ridiculous it all is, and that I shouldn’t feel down. But at times I do. As for not knowing how to attract a “normal” person, that’s something I’ve often thought about as well; I’m not sure I can, especially at this point. I’ll give an example. I had my first truly serious girlfriend in my early-twenties; I was engaged to her at one point. I held absolute trust in her, and the most problems we had were that she could be extremely tempermental at times, to the point that I thought she was bipolar, but she was borderline diabetic, so that’s what I chalked it up to. She would always leave for few days (or longer), but always had a reason that I understood and believed. I shouldn’t have; I found out later (about four months before the wedding) that she was smoking meth, and had been since her late-teens. Needless to say, after that, a lot of stuff came to light, and it was like she was living a dual life: one with me, the other with these “friends” of hers. I tell you that to give some perspective; it took awhile, but I did get past that and was able to move on. And in my defense, having not had any dealings with drug-addicts before that point, I was naive and oblivious (perhaps I still am in a lot of ways). The next few weren’t all that great either but they didn’t last long, as I was able to back out early and end it. The last one, I obviously should have backed out long ago, but I kept on.

    I do want to be loved and respected by a woman that I’m with; I don’t believe I’ve ever been the recipient of such things, honestly. I am at times bottomed out on self-esteem and self-worth, from what I allow myself to be put through by others; I believe I am an attractive guy, I’m smart, honest, all that. But I can’t understand what happens. I’m at a point now where I want a strong, serious, long-term relationship; I’m not getting any younger, all my friends are married, and even a few of my young cousins have gotten married. Maybe it’s not in the cards for me, I don’t know. If I ever was to find myself in a “normal” relationship, I’m sure that one of two things would happen: it would either be the easiest thing in the world for me (considering I can make these screwed up relationships with screwed up people half-way work); or I’d unwittingly sabotage the good relationship due to being used to bad ones. I don’t know. Like I said, I don’t understand why this is the way it is; self-esteem issues, sure. I’m sure there’s something wrong with me. I am looking into relocating to the city to be closer to my close friends and having more social outlets, but at the same time, it’s a tough decision to make, as I wonder if the change would be any different for me (and further complicated by my mother, who’s been in relative poor health for years, which is a long story but begins with a broken back, and I don’t think I could forgive myself if I left and something bad happened, though by that same token I want out of this area, as it looks like I’m cursed around here). Anyway, thanks again, April.

    #10943
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    You’re not cursed. And, it’s possible for you to have a healthy relationship. But moving to a different city isn’t going to change the challenges you face.

    My advice to you would be to SLOW DOWN when you date someone. You can’t really analyze what’s going on when you’re part of the equation, or when you’re moving at warp speed towards what you think is loyalty and intimacy. So slow down your dates. Don’t rush into commitment. Keep your checkbook in your pocket, and quit writing checks for mortgages, rent, tuition, and other things that a normal date would be taking care of herself. I know this is going to be hard for you, but I’m still asking you to do it. After all, you can’t really see a woman’s problems if you’re rushing to fix them. Sometimes a woman’s problems will make her incompatible, and that’s where you have to hone your sense of objectivity.

    Don’t assume. When you assumed your ex-girlfriend was bi-polar, you ruled out the fact that she was a meth addict. Big mistake. Keep an open mind — and I think this is going to be something you need to practice.

    If a woman you’re dating isn’t living up to your standards of what Ms. Right should be, end the relationship. Again, this is going to take practice for you, and a clear idea of who Ms. Right is, and what she behaves like.

    Wanting to be married, and having friends who are all married, is a good start to put you on the path to marrying yourself. Now, you have to do the real work. You can read a thousand books, but unless you do the work that is required to be in a relationship, the books are just academic.

    I think you can do what you want — have a real, healthy relationship that leads to lifelong loyalty, love and intimacy, but you’re going to have to do some work on yourself, first.

    #11474
    Anonymous
    Participant

    Hi, April. I’ve been mulling over what you told me the past few weeks. I have been offered a job in the city – its mine for the taking. However, I have yet to decide whether to take it and relocate or not (right now I’m more inclined to turn it down) as I’ve been thinking about what you said, about how a change of scenery or residence would do me little good if I didn’t fix myself first. The move is something that I take seriously, but I have indeed been wondering whether or not I’d move up there and then feel as though nothing was different. At this point, I honestly feel that I’d feel largely the same as I feel down here (though I think I’d be better off in some ways and worse off in others). At any rate, you said that I needed to work on myself first, or else it wouldn’t change. It may sound somewhat ignorant of me to ask, but what do you perceive needs work, and what can I do to change it? Sorry if it sounds like a dumb question, but maybe it would sink in more if I heard it, since I’m having trouble grasping it on my own (not that I’m unintrlligent, but, as we have already established, I can be ignorant to some things). Thanks again, April…and try not to be too harsh.

    #11014
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    You didn’t ask a dumb question. You asked a smart one! 😉

    It’s probably very hard for you to see what it is I’m talking about when I suggest you work on yourself because it’s hard to get perspective on one’s self. Everybody’s process for self change and evolution is different, so I can try and guide you, but you’re going to have to take my advice and make it work for you in your own personal way.

    What I would like for you is to see yourself as a man who has real worth and is valuable — so much so that he doesn’t need to and won’t put up with anyone who doesn’t respect themselves in the same way he respects himself, and who doesn’t act as though he is valuable. Re-read that a couple of times because it’s the crux of boosting your self esteem.

    Think about men you consider successful, and understand that if they met the ex-girlfriend you’re describing, they’d brush her off so fast her head would spin. They’d have security escorting her from the building — instead of trying to help her, give her time, see if she’s got room to change, etc. They’d realize right away that this woman — or this type of woman — is a waste of their time. And they would know that their time is too valuable to waste on garbage. That’s what I want you to learn to do.

    I would like to see you not want to waste your time with anyone who isn’t healthy. Don’t settle for women who are bi-polar or have bad manners. Pretend you’re the king of your life, and you won’t let anyone in who isn’t regal. That should weed out a whole lot of people, and give you a lot of time to figure out what it is you do want in a relationship and to focus on getting that particular and specific type of woman.

    Learn to keep people who don’t measure up, out of your life.

    I hope that that helps!

    Let me know how things go. 🙂

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