He Doesn’t Know What He Wants

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    Lisa73
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    I’m sure we’ve all heard someone say it at one time or another. Today I heard it.

    Here’s the history. I’ve been dating this guy for quite some time. We met in May, broke up for a few weeks in August, got back together and I thought everything was going well. He’s 43, I’m a few years younger. He has 2 children, neither of them live with him, but he has the youngest every other weekend. She’s 13. Also, his divorce was finalized in July. Never considered it an issue since he initiated the divorce, moved out and basically didn’t want to have anything to do with the ex.

    Well, a couple of weeks ago I got a cold and was a little annoyed with him that he didn’t come over and take care of me or at least offer. I basically came down with the cold Wednesday afternoon, stayed home Thursday and then stupidly went back to work on Friday. He travels for work, but came back into town Thursday afternoon. I was kind of hoping he’d offer to come over or ask me if I needed anything or anything like that, but he didn’t. In his defense he did send me several text messages asking how I was feeling. Anyway, by late Friday night I was pretty annoyed that he hadn’t offered to do anything. To me, taking care of someone when they are sick is a biggie in a relationship. For God’s sake, it’s one of the vows in marriage – in sickness or in health. So maybe the fact that I was sick and a little cranky made it all that much worse, but I was seriously starting to question the relationship since he hadn’t put forth the effort to take care of me when I was sick. Seriously guys, are you clueless about this sort of stuff? Well, I basically called him uncaring, rude and unconcerned via text Friday night. I tried calling him, but he didn’t answer. Obviously he was upset by what I said. I had to run out of town on Saturday, but was back later in the afternoon. It’s unusual for me not to get at least a text at some point in the morning. Every day one of us would text the other “good morning.” So when I hadn’t heard from him by 3, I texted. No reply. I tried calling, got voicemail. So now I’m pissed thinking he’s avoiding me so on my way home I decide to go over to his house even though I’m not feeling that great.

    Now he should have been able to tell by this point that I was upset. When I got there at about 3, he was still in his pajamas and said the ringer was off on his phone. He usually turns it off when he goes to bed. Although by 3pm you’d think he would have it on since he does get up early. Anyway, I was kind of mad and told him I had been trying to contact him. That’s when I picked up a throw pillow off the couch and hit him with it. He went ballistic. Now, in my defense, I’m a girl, a weak one, and it was a pillow. Not to mention I wasn’t feeling well and was feeling neglected by my boyfriend of 7 months. Anyway, he started yelling at me and told me to get out. Sure I was mad at him for how I was treated and I did hit him with a pillow, but I didn’t think it was something that should have caused such a reaction. Well, I said no and stayed and trying to get him to talk to me. He completely stops talking to you when he gets mad like this. It’s only happened once or twice in our relationship, but I admit I find it very immature. I apologized for hitting him with the pillow and tried to get him to talk to me, but he wouldn’t. I had really just wanted to sleep and have him take care of me while I was sick and didn’t understand why he hadn’t. He’s normally a very sensitive guy that is always doing sweet things so I was kind of surprised by his attitude when I was sick. Anyway, he had apparently made plans to go out that night. Not sure when this was, before or after I got there. I was sick anyway so it’s not as if I minded him going out without me, but just found it odd that he didn’t communicate it. Well, when it came time that he wanted to leave he wanted me to leave too. I really just wanted to stay and sleep and be there when he got home. Since he wasn’t really talking to me other than to say leave I was being kind of stubborn myself in not leaving until he talked to me. Well, this is when it escalated. He got so upset he called the police saying his ex-girlfriend was refusing to leave. That’s right, he was not calling me the ex-girlfriend. I admit that I should have left and given him some space and probably didn’t do the right thing there, but remember the whole argument started over a pillow fight. Anyway, I eventually left before the police arrived. I still can’t believe he did that. When I left I mistakenly took a handset to the house phone. It had been in my hand and I didn’t realize I had it until I got home. Long story. Anyway, I sent him an apology email the next day and said I had it and he should come get it.

    Well, I must have said something about if he didn’t come get it that I would bring it over on Friday. This was the weekend he had his daughter, who I haven’t met, and obviously he didn’t want to explain what was going on to her so he came over on Thursday night to get it. He was still mad. I basically told him that we needed to talk before I’d give the phone back, he refused and left without it. I have to mention that no one uses this phone I had anyway, it goes to a house phone and he rents the house so it belonged to the woman he rented from. It’s not as if it needed to be returned in a hurry and I figured I’d give it back when he calmed down and we could talk. There just didn’t seem to be a rush since I knew he wasn’t using it and no one else does either.

    Through all this I still wanted to try to work things out. Yes, I know that sounds bad after he told me to get out of his house and called the police, but I probably should have left anyway and probably shouldn’t have hit him with the pillow. So I took the time to write him a letter over the weekend and put it inside a card. I then dropped it off while I knew he’d be gone taking his daughter back to the ex’s house.

    The next week I started texting him “good morning” again everyday. Never got a reply. So by the next Friday I decided to go try talking to him again and see if he had calmed down. Well, he seemed better, but said he had his daughter for the weekend so obviously couldn’t talk when I stopped by. He came outside and talked to me on the porch for a few minutes. Once I realized his daughter was there I apologized and asked if we could talk another time and he said sure. He claimed he had plans Sunday night so I suggested Monday and he said “Ok, if he was in town.” Remember he often travels for work.

    Well, I left that night although I’m still wondering if I was being played and he didn’t have his daughter and didn’t have plans on Sunday night and was just making excuses not to talk to me. In the past when he was mad, like during our break in August, he did the same thing, made excuses and avoided me. The only reason we got back together in August was because I went over to his house when I knew he’d be there and confronted him and we ended up getting back together. When I left I said I’d text him on Monday to see if he was in town.

    Well, Monday came and I tried texting him, no response. I continued to text him good morning for the rest of the week and stopped by his house several times, but could tell he hadn’t been home. I sent him a few emails. I also sent him a couple of those egreeting cards. I know he opened those Thursday, but I sent him another email asking why he was avoiding me that I don’t think he read. I even tried calling once, but he didn’t pick up. I know, I should take the hint, but sometimes when you know it’s the right person it’s hard. Plus from our break in August I knew that I had to take the initiative. I knew I had to apologize even if I didn’t think I was in the wrong. At least not completely. I really like this guy and other than two fights we get along wonderfully and have a lot in common so I really didn’t think a stupid pillow fight should end the relationship.

    So this morning as I’m getting ready for work I get a knock at the door and it’s him. He came to get the phone. Now I didn’t think it was that urgent that he needed to pick it up before work, but he was in the area anyway on his way out of town. So again I tried to get him to tell me what was going on. I had mentioned in the letter I wrote him that I’d just as soon forget what happened that night and write it off since we were both in the wrong and I figured we were both being stubborn and just not talk about it again. I did get out of him that he’s okay with that. He claimed he wasn’t afraid to talk to me, which is kind of what I thought. I really thought maybe he was just hurt by some of the things I said or did. He’s very sensitive. I told him that I was sorry and that I didn’t like things being like they were. I must have asked him what he wanted or something and that’s when he said he didn’t know what he wanted. I asked him if there was someone else, or if he wanted to date someone else, knowing that there wasn’t anyone else in the picture. I asked if he wanted to never see me again and he said something like “I didn’t say that” which just led me back to him not knowing what he wanted again. I really tried to get him to tell me what was going on, did he not want to date anyone now, was he not interested in me anymore, was there something else going on, was he feeling smothered or crowded and needed some space. Something so I just understood where we were out and all he would say is that he didn’t know what he wanted.

    So I’m left frustrated trying to understand. Up until this pillow fight I thought everything was going well. We had fun together, we talked just about every night on the phone, would text each other throughout the day just to keep in contact. Depending on whether or not he was in town we’d see each other several times a week and usually spent the night together and on the weekends he didn’t have his daughter we’d spend most of the weekend together. For awhile when we got back together in September I wasn’t sure things were going okay, but I had really felt like they were good in the psst couple of months. He got me a nice piece of jewelry for Christmas and we seemed to be growing closer together.

    I know that most people are going to say here that when he says “he doesn’t know what he wants” that he probably just doesn’t want me. Could be, but I know he’s not looking for someone else either at the moment. While we were on our break in August he had some dating profiles up which are still up, but he hasn’t logged into them for quite some time. So I’m left wondering if he really doesn’t know what he wants. If it just wasn’t me that he wanted, wouldn’t he be back on the dating websites? That’s how we met by the way. On the other hand, maybe he was just trying to get the phone back and cut all ties so that he could move on. I don’t know. I guess I’ll stop texting him good morning and see if he gets back on the dating sites. When he was here this morning I asked him again if we could talk sometime and he said yes, but wouldn’t commit to a time. He’s done this before so I don’t know if he was just saying that in order to get the phone back or if he meant it. He claims he’ll be out of town next weekend and says he has his daughter this weekend and then again the weekend after he is out of town so including today and the next 2 weekends it doesn’t sound like I would be talking to him anytime soon. I just don’t know if he’s making excuses because he really doesn’t want to talk to me and has no intention of doing so or if he truly is busy. I want to believe that the excuses he’s giving me are legit, but not sure I do. I seriously wonder if his daughter was really at his house last weekend when he said she was. She was inside and I never saw her so there’s no way to know for sure. I can’t help, but feel that he’s trying to blow me off by continuing to make excuses not to see or talk to me. I know guys don’t like having these conversations, but I just don’t know where I stand. I flat out asked him if he wanted to see me again, as in dating, and he said he didn’t know. I told him that if you don’t want to see me again, just say so, but he wouldn’t. All he’d say was he didn’t know. I felt like I kept giving him the opportunity to tell me he just wasn’t into me or I just wasn’t the right girl for him, but he wouldn’t say it. I was prepared to hear it and in a sense that would have at least given me closure, but he wouldn’t say it.

    So opinions? I’d really appreciate the opinion of someone with a male mind. I just don’t know what to think here. I guess I’ll just try to give him some space, but for how long? I’ll stop sending the good morning texts and forwarding him jokes or any other emails. I guess the fact that Valentine’s Day is coming up doesn’t help any. Do I send him a card, do nothing, wait and see if he contacts me, which I don’t think he will if I leave it up to him. Do I move on? I’m hurt and in many ways I feel like his actions are hurting me more, but at the same time I really really love him and he’s the first person in my life I could imagine a future with. Now I just don’t know if I’m a sucker for thinking he still has feelings.

    Sorry it’s such a long post, guess I just needed to vent. Thanks for reading. Feel free to ask any questions about anything I may have left out.

    #22269
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    He knows what he wants! He wants a restraining order put on you.

    #22274
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    Here are a few tips to help you find Mr. Right (this guy is not your Mr. RIght):

    1. Don’t call and text a guy first, or, when he doesn’t call or text you back. (You’re acting desperate and no one is going to find desperation attractive. 🙁 )

    2. Let HIM do the chasing. [b]MysteryWoman[/b] said he needs a restraining order against you because it’s pretty apparent that you’re spending WAY too much time chasing a guy who isn’t showing much interest, if any. When he called the police to get you to leave his house, you should have ended the relationship. The problem was that you really didn’t see that what you were doing was very wrong. If someone asks you to leave, leave. Again, this is an understatement, but what you were doing wasn’t making you attractive to him. It was doing the opposite. 😕

    3. If a guy doesn’t ask you out on a date, move on. Don’t waste your time trying to convince yourself he doesn’t know what he wants. Instead, be clear: he DOES know that he doesn’t want to date you. If he did, he’d call and invite you to dinner.

    I’m sorry that this is so hard for you. You’re missing a lot of social cues that most people already understand. I think you should read Think & Date Like A Man, a book I wrote for women who want to find, get and keep Mr. Right. It’s going to help you a lot. You can buy it on the websites for Barnes & Noble, Amazon or right here: [url]http://www.askapril.com/relationship-dating-advice/think-and-date-like-a-man.html[/url].

    I hope this helps. Please follow me @AskAprilcom on Twitter and on Facebook at this link: [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1154528031[/url]. 😀

    #22282
    Lisa73
    Participant

    [quote=”MysteryWoman”]He knows what he wants! He wants a restraining order put on you.[/quote]
    Why would you say something like that?

    #22283
    Lisa73
    Participant

    [quote=”April Masini”]Here are a few tips to help you find Mr. Right (this guy is not your Mr. RIght):

    1. Don’t call and text a guy first, or, when he doesn’t call or text you back. (You’re acting desperate and no one is going to find desperation attractive. 🙁 )

    2. Let HIM do the chasing. [b]MysteryWoman[/b] said he needs a restraining order against you because it’s pretty apparent that you’re spending WAY too much time chasing a guy who isn’t showing much interest, if any. When he called the police to get you to leave his house, you should have ended the relationship. The problem was that you really didn’t see that what you were doing was very wrong. If someone asks you to leave, leave. Again, this is an understatement, but what you were doing wasn’t making you attractive to him. It was doing the opposite. 😕

    3. If a guy doesn’t ask you out on a date, move on. Don’t waste your time trying to convince yourself he doesn’t know what he wants. Instead, be clear: he DOES know that he doesn’t want to date you. If he did, he’d call and invite you to dinner.

    I’m sorry that this is so hard for you. You’re missing a lot of social cues that most people already understand. I think you should read Think & Date Like A Man, a book I wrote for women who want to find, get and keep Mr. Right. It’s going to help you a lot. You can buy it on the websites for Barnes & Noble, Amazon or right here: [url]http://www.askapril.com/relationship-dating-advice/think-and-date-like-a-man.html[/url].

    I hope this helps. Please follow me @AskAprilcom on Twitter and on Facebook at this link: [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1154528031[/url]. 😀[/quote]

    I think you’re missing the point. He got upset over a throw pillow. Hardly normal behavior. I knew something didn’t seem right with him, but couldn’t figure it all out. Almost like he was depressed.

    You make it sound like I’m the only one in the wrong here. I’m not saying I was right, but I don’t think he was any more in the right in anything he did than me.

    So why did he come over to my place 2 weeks later and say that he didn’t know what he wants and wants to talk later?

    I feel like you’re missing a lot of social cues. I was with this guy for 8 months and you don’t suddenly blow up over a throw pillow. I can accept the fact that maybe he doesn’t want to date me, but if that’s the case then why hasn’t he started dating someone else, or at least looking?

    #22286
    Lisa73
    Participant

    [quote=”MysteryWoman”]He knows what he wants! He wants a restraining order put on you.[/quote]

    Why would you say something like that?

    #22287
    Lisa73
    Participant

    So why did he read the emails I sent if he didn’t want to talk to me? Seems that he wouldn’t if he wasn’t feeling something.

    #22281
    JackB
    Participant

    [quote=”Lisa73″][quote=”MysteryWoman”]He knows what he wants! He wants a restraining order put on you.[/quote]

    Why would you say something like that?[/quote]

    I guessing she said it because, you know, the guy actually called the police to get you to leave his home.

    Anyway, speaking as a guy, if I ever got to the point where I called the police to get a woman to leave my home, there’s a fairly good chance that I’m not romantically interested in her (understatement.)

    [quote]
    I’m not saying I was right, but I don’t think he was any more in the right in anything he did than me.
    [/quote]

    Regardless of who’s right and who’s wrong, this is clearly not a healthy relationship.

    [quote]
    I can accept the fact that maybe he doesn’t want to date me, but if that’s the case then why hasn’t he started dating someone else, or at least looking?
    [/quote]

    Maybe he simply wants a break from dating anyone? Again, speaking as a guy, we don’t constantly NEED to be dating. And I know if I just got out of a relationship in which I was actually calling the cops to get the woman out of my home, I probably wouldn’t be in a huge hurry to jump right back into the dating scene.

    [quote]
    I was with this guy for 8 months and you don’t suddenly blow up over a throw pillow
    [/quote]

    That’s true. There were probably other things about the relationship that were bothering him, which would also explain why he didn’t check up on you so often when you were sick. Sounds to me like there was something (or some THINGS) about the relationship that he wasn’t happy with, and the thrown pillow was just the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back. I once snapped at someone I was dating because she ate my last cookie… Was I really that mad about the cookie? Of course not, but there were other things that were bothering me about her, and when she did that, everything just came to the surface finally.

    As for why he still wants to talk things over with you– if he stuck with you for 8 months, presumably there’s some good stuff in the relationship that maybe he’s a bit reluctant to let go of. That’s understandable. But the fact that he exploded over a thrown pillow and and also called the cops on you shows that there’s clearly a LOT of frustration there.
    Why are you so worried about what HE wants, anyway? What about what YOU want? Do you want to stay with a guy who doesn’t care enough to check up on you when you’re sick? Who calls the cops on you? Who has temper tantrums?

    #22301
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    There’s a saying about missing the forrest for the trees. This means that sometimes people don’t see what’s right in front of them, or what’s really going on because they’re studying individual details.

    The bottom line is that he doesn’t want to be with you. Find someone who does. 😀

    Please follow me @AskAprilcom on Twitter and on Facebook at this link: [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1154528031[/url].

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