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January 12, 2016 at 11:35 pm #1624
Suezana99760
ParticipantI became friends with a man about 18 months ago after knowing him for about 6 months before that. After a little confusion at the beginning of our friendship about whether or not he was ” interested” ( he then established that he wanted only friendship) we became very good friends. He is divorced (5 years), has two children 12 and 9, and is in his mid-thirties. I am single, have no children, and I am in my early 40’s. We live an hour away from each other. Our friendship progressed from fairly regular texts, weekly phone calls ( always from him, never from me) , and occasionally getting together ( maybe once a month) to daily texts, multiple daily calls (still all from him), and seeing each other every weekend and some week nights (with and without his kids) for several months now. We hang out at his place, go out to dinner, watch movies, cook together, shop together, do family stuff with his kids, do every-day chores and tasks that couples do, but we have not been intimate. He makes sexual innuendos (a lot) when we are alone together, usually looking at me for a reaction. I am very reserved by nature and he is a former bad-boy trying to be a good boy and has embraced the Christian lifestyle, including the no-sex before marriage mindset but he loves to get reactions from me by saying outrageous things. I accepted the relationship status of friends. I have been completely my authentic self. I have been completely honest with him that I love his children, and that I love him as one of my closest friends. He said that was unnerving because he has other friends that never said they loved him before. I told him that since I lost my mother 2 years ago, I do not hesitate to tell people that I care about them, and that he, his children and my childhood best friend are the people I love.
Then things changed.
The night before Thanksgiving we were at his place, just being together, setting up his new tv, having a couple of drinks, and he asked me to spend the night. Not to do anything, just to be together. So I did, but I left before he woke up because I had a commitment to get to. When I saw him next, the following day, he asked me if I slept well, if he snored and kept me up, if I found the toothpaste ok…..all in the kind of tone you’d use if someone had really spent the night.
I went to a trade show out of town the next weekend and decided to leave a day early & spend the night in a hotel with my girlfriends so we’d be able to go to the event Friday night and Saturday. I decided on a whim but didn’t tell him before I left, figuring I’d just tell him when he called later in the evening. I put my phone in my jeans pocket and went to the show ( it was an equestrian show). One of the clinics we attended first asked us to silence our phones. I forgot to turn it up afterwards. Approximately 3 hours went by while I was walking around the various booths. When I got to the hotel, I took the phone out and saw that he had called 3 times and texted twice. Before I could respond, he called again and when I answered it, he was beside himself. Why hadn’t I called back? Where was I? I could have been dead and he had no idea where I was. Then he said something that shocked me. He said he thought I might have been out with a man I work with. I assured him I was not, and I explained about the phone being silent and where I was. He responded that I had never left him hanging before. That I always shot him a text if I couldn’t take his call. He said he was worried sick for 3 hours and asked me to promise him that I would never ever not respond to him like that again. He proceeded to call me 3 times on Saturday checking in with me. This was a significant change because he is very respectful of time with his kids and it was a kid weekend.
I was the first person he ever shared his home and children with on Christmas since his divorce 5 years ago.
I then spent New Year’s Eve with him and his daughter and ended up spending the night so that she and I could go somewhere together in the morning. We then spent the afternoon back with her dad on New Years Day. I went home, spent the night at my house and met up with them again for Sat and most of Sun.His ex-wife is in communication with me because I often do things with the kids & pick them up at her house. Shortly before Christmas Out of the blue she texted me about Christmas shopping for the kids and their dad. She wanted to give me suggestions & when I told her I had already gotten her ex his present, she asked me if I thought he and I would be permanent. I told her I had no intention of going anywhere. But that I understood if someone else entered the picture, they may not understand how close her ex and I are as friends and that I was happy that she and I had established communication so that I could remain in the kids lives if a new or permanent love interest of his did not like our friendship.
Apparently, the ex decided to share this conversation with HIM and after 3 normal-type calls from him that Sunday, his 4th call was pretty intense, saying that he had just gotten off the phone with his ex and he wanted me to know that I am secure, that no woman would push me out of his life and that he would get rid of anyone right from the start if they could not accept me, and that he would drive the 60 miles to my house right then to look me in the eyes and tell me again so that I would know he is serious.
I know this has been very long, but I am very confused. I thought we were friends. I accepted the friendship thing. Now I don’t know what to think. And I honestly don’t know if he even realizes the shift he has subtly made, but I will not broach the subject with him unless I have someone who knows more than I do about men tell me that I am not imagining things. That I am not reading things into nothing. Unless I am….
Thank you
January 13, 2016 at 1:34 pm #31681April Masini
KeymasterMen and women can’t be friends. One person always has more romantic or sexual feelings than the other, and that creates an absence of true honesty. That’s not friendship. My question to you is: If you’re single, never married and in your early 40s, why settle for a man who won’t date you? 😯 I know you say that you’ve accepted his not dating you, but it sounds more like you’re trying to leverage the friend zone into more…. or more accurately, are playing a waiting game to see if he comes around. The problem is it’s been almost 2 years.😕 Clearly, he’s not your friend or he wouldn’t have been so concerned about your dating someone else — in fact, that’s your cue to ask why he’s upset that you might be dating someone. If you don’t, you’re in compliance with this odd dynamic.Ask yourself what you really want in life — I’m going to wager a guess that you want a boyfriend. If that’s true, you should move on. That will give you the freedom to date because you’ll act and feel single. It will also give him the opportunity to see your self esteem is in tact and that if he wants to see you, he will have to date you!
I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
January 13, 2016 at 3:16 pm #31684Suezana99760
ParticipantThank you, April. I appreciate the frank response. I think the title of my question may have been a little misleading- I haven’t been hanging on waiting for him, per se. I, myself, am in limbo. I was in a 5 year relationship that broke up shortly before my mother’s death. I had been her caregiver and it put a big strain on the relationship. He left me. I let him go. My mother’s care was my priority until her death. This new man, my “friend” came on like gangbusters when I resurfaced a little while after grieving. He was so attentive, I actually was very direct with him. I said, “If you’re interested in me, then ok, but if you’re not, please leave me alone.” He stayed away for about a month and came back, saying he really wanted me in his life, he really wanted my friendship. I said OK because I needed someone too and he seemed kind and genuine. It was at that point that I stopped looking at him as a potential love interest and our friendship began, then accelerated. I have always viewed him as my “safe” person. Someone I don’t have to be “on” for, someone I can be honest with, someone who has my back and someone I look out for. The fact that he has 2 great kids who I have grown to love was a bonus. Am I hiding? Possibly. It’s been a tough road for me through the end of my relationship and the loss of my mother. I did not want to go back “out there” then and I still don’t really feel like it. I have my job and my horse, and my dogs and activities I like. Have I been waiting for him to see me differently? I really don’t think so. At least not consciously. It was only when these few things happened, seemingly one right after the other right around the Holidays that made me start thinking that maybe HE is feeling differently. But I don’t know if I’m reading into his words and actions or if he really is being different. The flip side of that is I’m not sure I want the answer. He is very important to me. His kids are very important to me. Do I even want to risk finding out if he wants to take this further? Would I say yes? Would I say no? What if either of those answers screws us up beyond repair? Is the devil you know better than the devil you don’t? You gave me something to think about. It seems like you are saying his actions do warrant me asking about them if I decide to go that path. It’s nice to read that maybe it’s not my imagination.
Thanks again. I appreciate your time.January 13, 2016 at 4:31 pm #31690April Masini
KeymasterYou’re very welcome. If you have any other questions, please ask. 🙂 -
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