Do I wait for him to propose?

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 20 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #4590
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    Hi — April, I LOVE your advice! I also love your book which is falling apart I’ve read it so much!

    My question: I’m 38, with 2 kids. 14 months ago I met a man who is my age, also 2 kids. I was fabulous at the start — mysterious, kept him guessing, made him wait a month before meeting him… All great. We started dating, he said ILY after 3 months and asked me to meet his kids (who live with their mom). He met my kids after 9 months or so.

    He says he wants us to get married next year – great, right? Only he lives with his Dad right now as he is paying off debts. He has no house, his ex took that. I met his kids once (after I insisted), because he says his ex is not allowing me to meet them.

    I love him, we’re great together. But he never talks about the future unless I ask him, and I’m getting uneasy. He said he wants to wait till next year when his debts are paid off to propose… But I’m scared I’m investing too much time in him if he’s just stringing me along. :-/ How do I know if he’s genuine?

    EDITED TO ADD: He’s super-sweet to me, fixes up my house without being asked!, picks me up and pays for dates, is really sweet and romantic. But lately i feel it’s cooling off and I can’t work out why, unless it’s the fact I brought up marriage again. 🙁

    Help, I’m out of control!

    #20501
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    I think the thing that scares me is… I don’t feel confident that I’ll meet anyone else. I’m in GREAT shape and pretty, but I’m older, with small kids. I work from home (youngest child isn’t school-age yet) so i meet nobody there, plus my only time to date is 1 night a week and alternate weekends.

    I dress great, have long hair, am glamorous and fun. I don’t sleep around, have a nice home, a great relationship with ex and lovely kids. But I feel so miserable quite often, that men don’t want to date a single mother so I should be grateful. 🙁

    #21035
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    I’d love to know your thoughts. I really love him, we make a great team and I’d hate to lose him.

    #20973
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    A few questions before I answer further….

    1. Does he have a job?

    2. How big are his debts?

    3. How long has he been living with his father?

    #20971
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    Hello!

    1. yes, he has a job and he is expecting a promotion soon.
    2. Big – but he has said they’ll be paid off early next year.
    3. Two years, while he paid off the debts.

    #20985
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    The most embarrassing thing is, I’ve now raised The Talk with him about 4 times. 😯 We split up over the summer (he told me a lie, I dumped him, he worked to win me back) and while we were apart he was ALL about marriage, saying he’d never wanted to marry anyone but me, etc. (He didn’t marry his ex.)

    But now we’re together again, he never raises the subject. I find that hugely frustrating.

    Whenever I have raised it, he always assures me he wants to marry me next year and he always gets tearful during these conversations. I always feel reassured and loved, then after he’s gone I panic and think, “OMG I totally brought up marriage AGAIN”. It’s such a turnaround from the start of the relationship when he was chasing me and I was telling him I didn’t want anything serious.

    Anyway – what to do? My plan was to just get busy with my own life, try to get out more and meet new people (not to date, just to meet) and set a private timeline of like 3 more months. If that passes without a ring, I’ll move on.

    What do you think? I don’t have the guts to start dating new people yet.

    #20991
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    Thank you for the added information — and for the kind words. 😀

    There are a couple of flashing yellow lights in the information you added based on my questions, and then I guess the questions got you thinking because the additional information you added that I didn’t ask for also began to paint a picture of a man who isn’t marriage minded. I think your instinct to give yourself a time limit with him and in the meanwhile to start building a support system for yourself to get back out there is a good one. Follow it!

    I take it he’s about your age, 38, and has never been married. This is a flashing yellow. It sounds like marriage isn’t on his personal radar. It’s more like something he has to give up in order to keep you. Ideally marriage is something you both want. There are enough differences in relationships where couples have to compromise and make deals — marriage itself is too big an issue to be a deal making tool.

    While it’s great that he has a job and is working to pay off his debts, and is living with his father in the meantime, the fact that he’s been living with his father for two years and is probably going to be there for a while more, means he isn’t ready to get married. If you had come to me when you first started dating him and asked if I thought he was appropriate, I would have told you to find someone who is more ready to be in a serious relationship. Anyone who’s living with a parent in their late 30s or early 40s, isn’t. Because you’re 38 and have two kids, you have to be especially careful with your time and emotions. You need to date men who are more compatible with you and if you know what you want (marriage in this case), then you need to choose someone who’s ready and willing. Not only is this guy not the marrying type he’s not financially ready and he’s living with his dad.

    One of the things I talk about in Think & Date Like A Man, [url]http://www.askapril.com/relationship-dating-advice/think-and-date-like-a-man.html[/url], is that you have to treat dating like you would a business. I know you think he’s nice and kind he helps you around the house, but that’s just part of the picture. You need to look for someone who’s financially ready to get married and who is socially ready, too. This means someone with a good job, manageable debts if any, and a working relationship with his ex and his children so that blending families will actually work! When you get too invested in someone who doesn’t have enough of the attributes that will make him a good match for you, it’s hard to see what’s wrong because you’re emotionally, sexually, time and family invested in him. Now, breaking up takes on a value, too. 😕

    You’ve hit a wall with him, and because he’s not stepping up to the plate, you’re turning into someone you don’t want to be (I can hear your frustration when you say you’ve had “The Talk” with him about marriage multiple times.) because you can’t get him to be who you want him to be. This isn’t a productive or healthy dynamic. Instead of trying to get him to be someone he isn’t, I encourage you to accept who he is. And that’s a guy with some wonderful qualities….. who isn’t your Mr. Right. In fact, I think the reason you find the relationship to be cooling off is because he realizes he can’t be your Mr. Right, and that’s not an attractive feeling for a man. 😳

    You’ve invested 14 months in him, as a 38 year old divorcee with two kids. He hasn’t stepped up, and it’s time for you to move on. You can give yourself the three month deadline, but I don’t think he’s going to change. The question is, will you? I know you say you don’t have the guts to start dating, but if you give him up because he’s not going to be the right man for you, and you find yourself single, I think you will. 😉

    Please let me know how things go for you, and please follow me @AskAprilcom on Twitter and on Facebook at this link: [url]https://www.facebook.com/Relationship.Expert.April.Masini[/url]. 😀

    #20458
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    Wow! Thank you [b]SO[/b] much for such a kind, wise, well-considered and sensible answer!

    I know you’re right. I’m heartbroken obviously – he’s adorable and we have a ton of fun together. I feel a bit embarrassed that I’m so marriage-minded. Truth is, I only split from my ex 2 years ago and the (very amicable) divorce is still currently going through. It’ll be finalised in the new year. Should I wait till then? It’d be sweet (unlikely, but sweet) to think he’s waiting for me to be legally “free” but I don’t think that’s the case as he’s never mentioned that.

    Thank you SO much, you’re awesome!

    #20507
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    Seriously – I’m really impressed by your answer and your wisdom. I love the idea of treating dating like a business. I think it’s time I read your book **again**!

    I already feel stronger and more powerful, realising that my life is in my hands and I don’t have to wait around forever. 🙂 Thanks again.

    #21014
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    The reason the book is called Think & Date Like A Man, [url]http://www.askapril.com/relationship-dating-advice/think-and-date-like-a-man.html[/url], is because men and women date differently, and women can learn a lot from the way men conduct relationships. Men are very goal oriented and whether they want sex, companionship or marriage, they focus like a laser beam on what they want and go for it. You didn’t. This is where you can learn from the book and from men.

    He wanted companionship, you wanted marriage. This is not a compatible match. You’re too smart to not know that he wasn’t marriage material, but because your divorce is new and you’re scared of never marrying again or even dating until you find someone appropriate, or just being a single mother, you settled for someone who isn’t compatible for you because comfort was important to you. Get brave and face your discomfort! 🙂 Ultimately, making friends with discomfort is less painful than getting short term comfort with someone who’s going to bring you long term pain. 😉

    Now, you get to regroup, get your divorce finalized, and find someone who is right for you and your kids — and don’t waste time with men who aren’t, even if they’re nice. 😉 It’s not enough.

    #20984
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    You’re so right. You’re 100% right about everything. I can’t believe how perceptive you’re able to be via just internet posts!

    Sorry to keep harping on, but if I were to finish it, do I give this as my reason? Like, “I love you and I’ve loved our time together but we want different things so it’s time for us to move on”..?

    I’m not lying – part of me would wonder if a split would be the jolt he needed to realise that he wanted me more than he didn’t want marriage. (But obviously i wouldn’t do it FOR that reason, that’d be a waste of time.)

    I’m just wondering if we give honest reasons for splitting up in a case like this.

    #21000
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    When you break up with someone it’s important for you to be clear that it’s over. It’s also a good idea to talk about yourself and not the other person. For instance, you can tell him that you’re breaking up with him because you’ve come to realize that this isn’t a relationship that is going to work out for you, and while he has so many wonderful qualities, you’re really looking for a different type of person. Be prepared for him to throw hail mary passes to try and save the day. He may even propose marriage to you on the spot. But it will be too late because he’s had plenty of time to do this and a proposal under duress is not a good one.

    Good luck!

    #21932
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    I was out with my boyfriend on NYE, and he got really drunk. After he fell asleep in bed, his iPhone beeped with a text. Seeing it was from another girl, I took the phone downstairs and read the messages. It went like this (I’ve written his in capitals).

    11.55pm: HAPPY NEW YEAR, SEXY XXX
    12.10am: HAPPY NEW YEAR, SEXY XXX
    12.17am: Happy new year. Thought you’d forgotten about me x
    12:30am: NO CHANCE XX MSG U TOMORROW NIGHT BABY XXXX
    12:45am: Are you having a good night? x
    1:15am: YES XXX
    1:15am: HMM, MSG U TOMORROW THEN XXX
    1:30am: HMM, MSG U TOMORROW THEN XXX
    2:30am: Sorry just got home x

    My first impression was that he wasn’t cheating, he was just drunk and flirty. I then read through his WHOLE phone and only found lovely things about me – his telling all his friends how much he loves me and wants us to get married. ?!

    When he woke up the next day, I told him what had happened and that I’d read EVERYTHING And he wasn’t angry, he was upset and horrified he’d hurt me. I then finished the relationship but he has pursued me for 2 weeks: sending flowers, cards, emails, texts, a letter, presents… I’ve ignored everything but finaly agreed to meet him for a coffee.

    I don’t know what to do! He says he’ll delete her from his contacts in front of me, he has offered to arrange for me to meet her, talk to his friends, anything i want. I don’t know what to do!

    Yes, this is the same guy I wrote to you about late last year.

    Bad bits: we had a row about this girl last year, as he lied about a text he’d sent her.

    #21954
    April Masini
    Keymaster

    Thank you for adding your new post about this same guy to the older posts, so we can all see your posts in one place! 😀

    Since this guy lied about this same girl last year, and then [i]again[/i] this year, you should expect more of the same. 😳 I think I’ve given you plenty of reasons to see that he’s not compatible with you, in the rest of this thread, but eventually you’ll figure it out on your own. 😉 Reread the entire thread of posts. I think it may help you. 😀

    Please follow me @AskAprilcom on Twitter and on Facebook at this link: [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1154528031[/url],

    #25104
    MysteryWoman
    Participant

    Hello again. 🙂

    You know the guy I wrote to you about before? well, we had a month’s split after the NYE texts, then we made such a big effort to win me over that I agreed to date him again and everything’s been great since.

    So great in fact, that he recently got a huge tax rebate, and immediatel took me to Paris and proposed with a truly beautiful diamond solitaire ring. :-O

    i have two questions:

    1. Do you think it’ll work out? I love him, he appears to be crazy about me too.
    2. Since the proposal, I have surprised myself by being MORE insecure. i’m counting his texts?! I can’t seem to relax. I have no reason – it only happened 4 days ago and he has been adorable ever since! But i seem to have gone really clingey and needy. I’m frcing myself to back off a little – stay busy, throw myself into work & friends – because otherwise I’d be calling him every 5 minutes! WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED TO ME?!

    Thanks x

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 20 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Comments are closed.