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June 29, 2009 at 1:49 pm #1053
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ParticipantHello. This is my first post here, and one of the few times Ive ever tried something like this! But i really need some advice and I dont know who to ask anymore. —-SORRY IF ITS A LITTLE LONG! I GUESS A QUICK SKIM WOULD WORK, BUT I CHOSE TO GO IN DEPTH, IF YOU CAN SPARE THE TIME, I WOULD BE VERY THANKFUL I NEED HELP————–
Ive been dating this girl for 4 months. I know its relatively early, and we are quite young, but we really really love each other. Initially, I fell for her because we just “got” each other SO much. We would have 5 hour conversations online and via phone nonstop, we had the same sense of humor, same thoughts, so many similarities. It was amazing. I remember running home after school to be there when she got online. So we started dating.
First problem. She had just gotten out of a really REALLY serious relationship. We were hooking up mostly and not yet in a relationship. Her ex started half stalking/emailing me at the time, telling me she still told him i love you. Eventually she told me she was ready and we started dating. Her ex wasnt out yet though, and i asked her if she was sure she didnt still love him. She told me she was certain, and that she wasnt leading me on, she didnt love him. I send him the snippet from the conversation to have him back off. He was convinced she loved him. Eventually i dont hear from him again. A few weeks later, upon sharing passwords, i stumble on an email between them where he shows her what i sent him. To that she replied something along the lines of “i only said that because I was angry.” Which basically meant she lied, and still loved him. I asked her. Showed her. she told me it was because she felt bad and didnt want to hurt him.
As things move along, he is fully removed from the picture, she finally stops talking to him after I make a really big deal out of it, although not very happy. Hes gone, we can move on.
Second problem. She starts acting like she doesnt care much. She lives far away from me, and so we dont see each other often. I was working one day and she happened to be right next to my restaurant after a night with friends celebrating something. So i ask her, why dont you stop by since i cant see you for a week? A quick hi, nothing more than a few minutes. She tells me shes tired and cant be bothered. This hurt. Especially since I was leaving for College in 2 months at the time, and wished to spend the most time i could with her. Thats when I made a really big deal and told her I was going to end it. Not only had she lied and kept leading her ex on, but she could never bother to see me when it wasnt a set date, it happened before. I was constantly going out of my way, not only paying for everything with her starting to basically request I pay, but also it started feeling that unless i DID go out of my way, nothing would happen otherwise.
To that, she changed. And to her credit, I noticed it although i didnt really let her know as much as i should have. She started putting in effort, paying for herself, and overall, acting like an ACTUAL girlfriend. but the intial spark, or thing that let us talk so much about nothing or understand each other fully left. Our conversations became somewhat dull, or at least, on the nowhere path.
By now we got to the i love you’s. And we meant it. Sexually, it had only happened once due to her choice, and It was relatively okay by me to wait. What wasnt okay for me, was the fact that she refuses to make out with me.
For me, a guy, making out with my girlfriend is expressing passion and desire to be with her. The lips, the long moments, the scent and closeness of each other. To her, its something you only do with hookups—and would rather just hold my hand or peck me. This especially in public. I felt like a nun in public. To the point my own friends were making fun of me. I know. Respect her feelings. But heres the catch. These *very* deep feelings she cant seem to move aside, even in my room, WERE moven aside for her ex, and a guy she made out with–not somewhere private, but in the middle of a CLUB. this means in front of EVERYONE. so essentially, i feel like not only is she denying me something so simple, something that could make me happy with little effort, but something she should want too. And especially, something that she has moved her “feelings” aside for, for OTHER guys. but not for her boyfriend, whom apparently, she loves. That made me feel HORRIBLE. The nights i just spent staring at the ceiling. The days i felt like crap because as a goodbye kiss i got a peck, and all she did was hold my hand. KNOWING i express myself differently.Things started declining. She was constantly worries about what others thought around us. In a train she would give me orders on how to sit. Move your leg away. Do this. do that. When i laughed, or talked about something, or someone or stared or looked at people she would always tell me to stop. Act embarassed. She started acting differently. She wasnt herself, she was always overly conscious, like someone was rating her boyfriend. I had to stop being myself, or who i really am so she herself would feel comfortable. Gradually i felt like she wasnt dating me, but everyone else. And throughout all this, i kept going out of my way for her. Organizing things, getting her gifts, writing her little notes, taking her to romantic places, different restaurants. I even changed my look somewhat, due to her hating baggy jean, i went out and bought tight fits and made sure I always wore them with her. Yet, throughout all this, she could never bother for me. I told her time again and again i really really loved when she did pigtails. Everytime, she had an excuse. In 4 months, she wore it twice. Once on my birthday, removing them a few hours after. And once after a fight. She also knew I had a thing for a particular dress she had. She always refused that, saying it was revealing. Understandable, yet I had to argue to have her wear it in my own room where I would be the only one. It bothered me because I found pictures of her wearing it out how I liked it before i met her. And still, unless i did things, nothing would be done.
Eventually, we even stopped doing things. All she ever wanted to do was sit at home and watch movies. Sex actually increased, although I had to always beg multiple times to do anything intimate with her, even if simple things. When she did get in the mood after various attempts, many times she never wanted to return the favor. We started fighting almost once or twice a week.
But i know she loves me, everytime a fight would happen she would cry, she left me messages, she kept trying to apologize and make me feel better. I could tell it was genuine, and so were her apologies, but afterwards, when we would make peace, after a small period of time it would happen again. Something similar to what we fought about in a different context. And the fight would start again, and the cries, and the arguments, and the parents somewhat getting involved being worried.
Today, I got up at 6am to talk to her internationally via internet. Due to the break, we are in different countries.
I have been getting online at 5,6, and 7 am for a week now, because she cannot find time at around 3pm, where it would be more comfortable for me. Yet i have been doing it. The first time, i was paying by the minute at an internet point, I find out on my own she was talking to another guy at the same time we were talking. Hence, her slower replies. Knowing i was paying, and not having talked to me for about a week due to the travels. It hurt, I got mad. She apologized. It was okay. Today, I wake up at 6, we are msning. She starts taking longer time to reply. I ask. Shes talking to someone else. Again. A guy. An ex. While im there, sleepy and tired, for her.I get angry. We fight. She apologizes. Again.
Its a limbo. I hate this. I DONT WANT TO FIGHT WITH HER. i love her, i know its mutual but she doesnt think before she acts. I dont want to fight, but everything always happens again. She does things that hurt me, or a girlfirend outright shouldnt do. I SHOULD be able to kiss my girlfriend. I SHOULD feel like she wants me both sexually and physically next to each other.
Most times i get mad at little things like these, she didnt want to make out with me. She wont send me a sexy picture while im away. she forgot to email me. She could have stayed longer but left earlier. She chats with others while chatting with me online.
Im not perfect, I know. But 80% of the times, she is the cause of our fights. She tells me i pick at little things to get mad and possibly leave her. I know she loves me, but many times, i really dont know what to think. I dont want to fight anymore, i cant do it, but i also do want to feel better about some things. Am i being selfish?
June 29, 2009 at 11:50 pm #9448April Masini
KeymasterIt really sounds like you wish this woman was different. You’d like to be treated differently. You’d like her to behave differently. But she is who she is, and you are who you are. There are way too many differences between the two of you. You’re not going to change her, and you’re frustrated. It’s easy to take feelings of lust and infatuation seriously, especially when you’re young and your body is full of hormones which make relationships feel super sexually charged, but a relationship is only going to last if people treat each other the way the other person wants to be treated. The best relationships happen when a woman makes you feel like a great man, and a man makes a woman feel like her best self. It doesn’t sound like either of you do that for each other.
You may have feelings for her, but it’s not enough. Don’t waste your summer. You’re only going to be heartbroken most of it if you keep on like this. Open you eyes and your mind and meet other women.
June 30, 2009 at 7:54 am #9464rruler
Participantbut we WERE very alike. we DID have similar thoughts and there was NO need for change. She just, did change, on her own. And she admits that, she says she acts differently around me and doesnt act like herself, but doesnt know why. If she did act like herself, there would be no problems apart from the few preferences intimacy wise. June 30, 2009 at 7:05 pm #9455April Masini
KeymasterYou continue to hope for an alternative reality because you don’t like the way your girlfriend has changed in this one. I’m sorry to say, but this is the only reality there is. Lots of people get into big trouble because they commit to relationships based on a person’s potential. The relationship works or fails based not on the potential but on what the person actually does and how they conduct themselves. You’re still looking for something you had with her in the past, but no longer have now. The reality now is things are different.
You may have had some super great times together, but you had a lot of problems, too. And now you’re unhappy because she’s changed, and you both acknowledge the change, but you’re fighting it and wanting it to be her fault, and for her to change back to the way she was.
You can’t make her change. That’s her job. All you can do is express yourself to her, which it sounds like you’ve done, and wait for her response – which you clearly don’t like. You say she’s not acting like herself, but the reality is, the way she acts IS the way she is. She may be acting differently, but it’s still her. That’s the reality.
July 2, 2009 at 5:30 am #9461rruler
ParticipantSo essentially, I should just leave her? [b][u]WE FOUND OUT THE PROBLEM![/u] [/b] We recently talked about it. And really came down to the issue. Basically, she has a fixation. She tends to care TOO much about other people. To the point where she puts OTHERS on top of ME.
Let me show you:
Hooking up: she wont because she thinks others might find it too sexual and it bothers her
The dress: She thinks its too open for others
Piggytails: She thinks it makes her look a lot younger, and by that she thinks others will think im dating someone too young
Her EX: She kept takling to him while dating him, and somewhat led him on because she wanted to make him feel better after leaving him. She was worried how he felt. HOW SOMEONE ELSE felt, rather than focusing on her current boyfriend
MSN: She split her attention the other day to help a cheating ex who was depressed.
Facebook: We recently argued over a setting i would like on her facebook, that she did not want to put on because OTHERS might find it annoying
Train: She makes me change positions, talk differently, keep to certain arguments because OTHERS might find it disturbing.
Public: She turned quiet and snaps at me when im overly loud, kid too much, or might point out a person because OTHERS might see it and think badlyUntil i was just a hookup, or the guy she was seeing but not dating, I WAS ONE OF THE OTHERS. Hence, we connected and she acted NORMALLY. Then when we went official she changed completely. Her process of treating others, and treating her boyfriend doesnt need to change, just simply REVERSED. She is treating others like she should treat ME. THEIR OPINIONS, which she doesn’t know for certain but imagines, are valued more than mine. My feelings come after other peoples. People who dont really even care or know she exists.
We figured it out. She understood and acknowledged it. I guess all i can do is give her this last possibility.
What do you think?July 2, 2009 at 10:58 am #9463April Masini
KeymasterIt sounds like you both acknowledge that she does not put you first. Most men want to be number one in their relationships, as do most women with their men. If you don’t mind taking second, third or fourth place — or lower than that — to other people she’s “helping” on chat lines or on the internet, or who she used to date, etc., then you’ll be fine. But I doubt it’s going to work as long as she continues this behavior. Break ups happen when one person is ready to leave. It doesn’t sound like either one of you are ready yet — but remember, she may just be trying to make you feel good by staying, since she knows you want to be in the relationship with her and she’s a people pleaser. In reality, she may be seeing other people, flirting with other people, or looking for her next boyfriend at the same time she’s trying to make you feel good. If she’s always being “nice” to someone to make them feel good, you’re never going to get honesty and you’re never really going to know where the two of you stand.
Eventually, I suspect, you’re going to have had enough, and you’ll move on. But until then, buckle up for rocky roads.
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